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SG's Arguments (click on a topic to go straight
there):
Part 1. Causing disunity is one of the five cardinal
sins.
Section a: You
should unite with SGI since they spread Namu-myoho-renge-kyo to
people around the world.
Section b: "You see, cutting yourself off from
the very body of believers on the account that they do not do 'shakubuku'
is an absurd reason....So you have discarded over 10 million people
who practice Buddhism...." "Unless you come to the realization
that you are the one who needs to change, no one in SGI is going
to trust you."
Part 2. "You have taken Nichiren's personification to justify
your interpretations..."
Part 3. "No one is in a position
to judge what is 'the best of [other's] ability.' We can only judge
our own ability...."
Part 4. "I agree 100 percent that we are in
the time of Mappo and need to practice shakubuku."
Part 5. "In the case of refuting non-Buddhists,
planting the seed of enlightenment is just as equal as shakubuku.
And nurturing this seed to those who do embark on the journey of
faith is shakubuku as well"
Part 6. "If you see a reason to refute non-Buddhists
to the best of your ability, go for it."
Part 7. "No one has stopped you from doing shakubuku
to non-Buddhists."
Part 8. "Your purpose of trying to enter SGI
facilities is not because of your change of heart to return to a
true faith. Your intentions are still to make distorted points among
the pure-hearted SGI members."
Part 9. "SGI did not cast you out. You left
SGI."
Dear SG,
I have taken the liberty of breaking down your points and my points
to make it more clear for everyone. Arguments are set up as the
original points made by you or me (actually only you in this case).
The counter-arguments are refutations of the original argument or
of the counter-argument the other person made. The substantiation
sections are gosho quotes that back up the argument or counter-argument
that the person is making right above it. Some of the counter-arguments
include separate points. Each point is one counter-argument against
the original argument made. Some sections are comments or agreements.
They arent arguments, just comments about the argument.
1. SG Argument:
Causing disunity is one of the five cardinal
sins.
NB Comment:
Yes, this is true. There is no need for you to substantiate this
to me as I'm aware of the reference.
SG
Argument:
You should unite with SGI since they spread
Namu-myoho-renge-kyo to people around the world.
Substantiation:
"All disciples and lay supporters of
Nichiren should chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo with the spirit of many
in body but one in mind, transcending all differences among themselves
to become as inseparable as fish and the water in which they swim.
This spiritual bond is the basis for the universal transmission
of the ultimate Law of life and death. Herein lies the true goal
of Nichiren's propagation. When you are so united, even the great
desire for widespread propagation can be fulfilled. But if any of
Nichiren's disciples disrupt the unity of many in body but one in
mind, they would be like warriors who destroy their own castle from
within."
NB Agreement:
I quite agree with you. I have repeatedly said that I agree with
it, yet you keep accusing me of ignoring it. I would like to unite
with SGI, as I have repeatedly said. I don't know why you bring
this up to me. Have you considered that it is SGI who is ignoring
this quote in regards to us, rather than vice versa? Is it not possible
that it could be SGI who is making the mistake? Can SGI not, in
your mind, make mistakes? I have, indeed, attempted for years to
work together with SGI. Rather, maybe you can help me figure out
how to do so without giving up my own vows to do shakubuku and to
insist that people follow the Law rather than the person. I have
tried to have amicable relationships with SGI and the members of
SGI. I have not yelled at people or threatened them. I have never
asked anyone in SGI to leave SGI and join NBAA. In fact, the only
things I have attempted to do is encourage people to chant, read
the gosho, do shakubuku, and follow only the Law (as in the teachings
of the Lotus Sutra). Of those, SGI leaders have told members of
NBAA that they are formally against two of them, namely doing shakubuku
and following only the Law, which is why we are not allowed to attend
meetings. I cannot stop teaching those things, though, as I took
a vow from which I cannot retreat.
SG
Counter-argument:
"You see, cutting yourself off from
the very body of believers on the account that they do not do 'shakubuku'
is an absurd reason....So you have discarded over 10 million people
who practice Buddhism...." "Unless you come to the realization
that you are the one who needs to change, no one in SGI is going
to trust you."
NB Counter-argument Point 1:
In response to this I must also point out that you have also said,
"You do not need to apologize for doing shakubuku...."
You are at once saying that it is I who needs to change, yet you
say that I don't need to apologize for doing shakubuku. Do I need
to apologize or not? The only way I could get back into SGI's good
graces would indeed be to apologize for doing shakubuku and tell
them that I will stop. One of SGI's national-level leaders, [name
removed for privacy], said that SGI is opposed to doing shakubuku
to anyone other than other Nichiren Buddhist organizations. If they're
opposed to it, then I would indeed have to stop doing it in order
to be allowed to go back to SGI meetings. So what is your true opinion
about this matter? Should I apologize for doing shakubuku and go
back to SGI, or should I continue to practice according to Nichiren's
example and guidance? I made my decision the day I took my vows.
NB Counterpoint Point 2:
I would not be following Nichiren's guidance myself if I stopped
doing shakubuku, since I do have the ability to do shakubuku.
Substantiation:
"Teach others to the best of your ability, even if only a
single sentence or phrase."
NB Counter-argument Point 3:
You seem to think this one issue isn't significant, or is less
significant than conforming to a Buddhist organization. However,
this issue of shakubuku is of crucial importance to the practice
of Buddhism -- more so than getting along with other Buddhists.
Even your own organization, SGI, faced the issue of whether to follow
the priests of NST. Did they choose to overcome the differences
between them and Nikken and just get along with NST in order to
refrain from committing one of the five cardinal sins? When facing
a serious concern about what is a correct practice of Buddhism,
unity takes a back seat to seeking out the true way. You are very
wrong about the importance of shakubuku. That is why I have been
refuting you on this one point about shakubuku time and time again.
Substantiation:
"If, failing to understand this principle, one were to practice
shoju or shakubuku at an inappropriate time, then not only would
one be unable to attain Buddhahood, but one would fall into the
evil paths. This is firmly laid down in the Lotus and Nirvana sutras,
and is also clearly stated in the commentaries by Tien-tai
and Miao-lo. It is, in fact, an important principle of Buddhist
practice." (pg. 126)
"Some people criticize me, saying, 'Nichiren does not understand
the capacities of the people of the time, but goes around preaching
in a harsh mannerthat is why he meets with difficulties.'
Other people say, 'The practices described in the "Encouraging
Devotion" chapter are for bodhisattvas who are far advanced
in practice; [Nichiren ought to follow the practices of] the "Peaceful
Practices" chapter, yet he fails to do so.' Others say, 'I,
too, know the Lotus Sutra is supreme, but I say nothing about it.'
Still others complain that I give all my attention to doctrinal
teachings. I am well aware of all these criticisms against me. But
I recall the case of Pien Ho, who had his legs cut off at the knee,
and of Kiyomaro (Pure Man), who was dubbed Kegaremaro (Filthy Man)
and almost put to death. All the people of the time laughed at them
with scorn, but unlike those two men, those who laughed left no
good name behind them. And all the people who level unjust criticisms
at me will meet with a similar fate. The 'Encouraging Devotion'
chapter says, 'There will be many ignorant people who will curse
and speak ill of us.' I observe my own situation in this passage.
Why should it not apply to all of you as well? 'They will attack
us with swords and staves,' the passage continues. I have experienced
this passage from the sutra with my own body. Why do you, my disciples,
not do likewise?" (pg. 209)
Question: "How should one practice if one takes faith in the
Lotus Sutra?" (pg. 125)
Answer: "Shoju is to be practiced when throughout the entire
country only the Lotus Sutra has spread, and when there is not even
a single misguided teacher expounding erroneous doctrines."
(pg. 126)
"The methods of shoju and shakubuku are also like this. When
the correct teaching alone is propagated and there are no erroneous
doctrines or misguided teachers, then one may enter the deep valleys
and live in quiet contentment, devoting ones time to reciting
and copying the sutra and to the practice of meditation. This is
like taking up a writing brush and inkstone when the world is at
peace. But when there are provisional schools or slanderers of the
correct teaching in the country, then it is time to set aside other
matters and devote oneself to rebuking slander." (126 &
127)
"Therefore, we must look at the world today and consider whether
ours is a country in which only the correct doctrine prevails, or
a country in which erroneous doctrines flourish." (pg. 127)
"One should practice only the shakubuku method of propagation,
and if one has the capacity, use ones influence and authority
to destroy slander of the correct teaching, and ones knowledge
of the teachings to refute erroneous doctrines."(127)
"Question: Then it would be wrong to say that faith in any
sutra or any Buddha of the expedient and provisional teachings equals
faith in the Lotus Sutra. But what of those who believe only in
the Lotus Sutra and carry out the five practices set forth in the
sutra or follow the practices described in the 'Peaceful Practices'
chapter? Could we not say that their practice accords with the Buddhas
teachings?
"Answer: Anyone who practices Buddhism should first understand
the two types of practiceshoju and shakubuku....
"In this age, the provisional teachings have turned into enemies
of the true teaching. When the time is right to propagate the teaching
of the one vehicle, the provisional teachings become enemies. When
they are a source of confusion, they must be thoroughly refuted
from the standpoint of the true teaching. Of the two types of practice,
this is shakubuku, the practice of the Lotus Sutra. With good reason
Tien-tai stated, 'The Lotus Sutra is the teaching of
shakubuku, the refutation of the provisional doctrines.'
"The four peaceful practices [in the 'Peaceful Practices'
chapter] correspond to shoju. To carry them out in this age would
be as foolish as sowing seeds in winter and expecting to reap the
harvest in spring. It is natural for a rooster to crow at dawn,
but strange for him to crow at dusk. Now, when the true and the
provisional teachings are utterly confused, it would be equally
unnatural for one to seclude oneself in the mountain forests and
carry out the peaceful practice of shoju without refuting the enemies
of the Lotus Sutra. One would lose the chance to practice the Lotus
Sutra.
"Now, in the Latter Day of the Law, who is carrying out the
practice of shakubuku in strict accordance with the Lotus Sutra?
Suppose someone, no matter who, should unrelentingly proclaim that
the Lotus Sutra alone can lead people to Buddhahood, and that all
other sutras, far from enabling them to attain the way, only drive
them into hell. Observe what happens should that person thus try
to refute the teachers and the doctrines of all the other schools.
The three powerful enemies will arise without fail.
"Our teacher, the Thus Come One Shakyamuni, practiced shakubuku
during the last eight years of his lifetime, the Great Teacher Tien-tai
for more than thirty years, and the Great Teacher Dengyo for more
than twenty." (pg. 394, On Practicing the Buddha's Teachings")
"The Lotus Sutra is the teaching of shakubuku, the refutation
of the provisional doctrines." (pg. 392)
Although few people slander the Lotus Sutra with actual words
of abuse, there are none who accept it. Some appear to accept the
sutra, but their faith in it is not as deep as their faith in the
Nembutsu or other teachings. And even those with profound faith
do not reproach the enemies of the Lotus Sutra. However great good
causes one may make, or even if one reads and copies the entirety
of the Lotus Sutra a thousand or ten thousand times, or attains
the way of perceiving three thousand realms in a single moment of
life, if one fails to denounce the enemies of the Lotus Sutra, it
will be impossible to attain the way. (WND p. 78)
The Great Teacher Nan-yueh has stated, If one sees
a foe of the Lotus Sutra and yet fails to censure him, one becomes
a slanderer of the Law and will fall into the hell of incessant
suffering. Even a man of great wisdom, if he sees such a person
and fails to speak out, will fall into the depths of the hell of
incessant suffering, and as long as that hell shall endure, he will
never escape. (pg. 1021-1022)
NB Counter-argument Point 4:
Nichiren left the Tendai sect over the one issue of shakubuku.
Substantiation:
"But the men of the Tendai school [who do not refute misleading
teachings] are all great enemies of the people. [As Chang-an has
noted,] 'One who rids the offender of evil is acting as his parent.'"
(pg. 287)
For persons of the Tendai Lotus school to chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo
themselves and yet give their approval when others repeat the Nembutsu
would be strange enough. Yet not only do they fail to remonstrate
with them, but they criticize one who does confront the Nembutsu
school, which is strange indeed! (pg. 856)
NB Counter-argument Point 5:
Nichiren didn't stop doing shakubuku even though his own disciples
opposed him on this single point. In continuing to do shakubuku
despite the fact that his disciples were opposing the practice,
was he going against his OWN belief that his disciples should be
united? Was he committing one of the five cardinal sins?
Substantiation:
"In the same way, the renegade disciples say, 'Though the
priest Nichiren is our teacher, he is too forceful. We will spread
the Lotus Sutra in a more peaceful way.' In so asserting, they are
being as ridiculous as fireflies laughing at the sun and moon, an
anthill belittling Mount Hua, wells and brooks despising the river
and the ocean, or a magpie mocking a phoenix." (pg. 306)
Among my disciples, those who think themselves well versed
in Buddhism are the ones who make errors
.To revere another
teaching as [Nam-myoho-renge-kyos] equal
can only be
a cause for disaster. (pg. 903)
NB Comment:
I have already tried again and again to explain the correct concept
of unity to you. You still fail to understand. You also fail to
follow Nichiren's example in doing shakubuku and instead give in
to the criticism of others who claim to follow the Lotus Sutra.
You even fail to follow SGI's example to create their own organization
in order to teach people not to follow priests. Is it possible that
you cannot understand even one of these arguments due to your attachment
to SGI? Maybe you need to check your own intentions about this matter.
I don't understand why you are scolding me for practicing shakubuku.
Are you trying to convince me to stop practicing according to Nichiren's
teachings and his lifetime example in order to conform to SGI's
wishes? Why would you do this? Did Nichiren merely conform to others
beliefs in order to get along with anyone? Conforming for the sake
of conforming is not a correct concept of Buddhist unity. And a
"Buddhist sangha" that scolds people or bans them for
practicing according to the teachings of the Lotus Sutra is NOT
a true Buddhist sangha anyway. So, to oppose you and SGI in this
matter, no matter how many people support you from within the SGI
organization, would not cause me to violate the 5 cardinal sins.
Substantiation:
"The question, however, is not whether one lives in the Former,
the Middle, or the Latter Day of the Law, but whether one bases
oneself upon the text of the true sutra. Again, the point is not
who preaches a doctrine, but whether it accords with truth."
(pg. 168)
A good believer is one who does not depend upon persons of
eminence or despise those of humble station; who does not rely on
the backing of superiors or look down on inferiors; who, not relying
on the opinions of others, upholds the Lotus Sutra among all the
sutras. Such a person the Buddha has called the best of all people.
(pg. 880)
In both secular and religious realms, as is plain to see,
good persons are rare while evil persons are numerous. Why, then,
do you insist upon despising the few and favoring the many? Dirt
and sand are plentiful, but rice and other grains are rare. The
bark of trees is available in great quantities, but hemp and silk
fabrics are hard to come by. You should put the truth of the teaching
before everything else; certainly you should not base your judgment
on the number of adherents. (pg. 125)
2.
SG Argument:
"You have taken Nichiren's personification
to justify your interpretations..."
NB Comment:
I can't understand why you would say this. I have, indeed, referred
to gosho quotes as well as Nichiren's life example in order to prove
that the teaching I'm practicing is the teaching that he meant for
us to practice. Are you scolding me for using the gosho to make
my points? I refuse to apologize for this, too. I am a disciple
of Nichiren. I will remain his disciple until you can prove to me
that his teachings are false. If you continue to call yourself a
Nichiren Buddhist, I think that you should also base your arguments
on his teachings, or refrain from calling yourself such. So far,
the only way you've refuted me is using the opinions of your SGI
leaders, rather than the gosho. You are not proving that I've misinterpreted
Nichiren, only that I've gone against SGI's teachings, which are
inferior to the teachings of the Lotus Sutra. None of your leaders
in SGI have told us that we've misinterpreted Nichiren. They have,
on the contrary, told us that they disagree that we should practice
according to Nichiren's instructions, which is merely their own
opinion. If you believe that I have misinterpreted Nichiren, you
have failed to prove it. I, on the other hand, have given you gosho
passage after gosho passage to prove my points. How can you read
these passages, which are as plain as day, and say that I've misinterpreted
them? How could anyone possibly read the words, "And even those
with profound faith do not reproach the enemies of the Lotus Sutra....[I]f
one fails to denounce the enemies of the Lotus Sutra, it will be
impossible to attain the way, and "The Taoists...by relying
on...deities...became enemies of Shakyamuni Buddha" and interpret
them to mean that we should not do shakubuku if other Nichiren Buddhists,
such as you and SGI, are opposed to it? Is it my misinterpretation
of these words or is it your refusal to accept Nichiren's instructions?
3. SG Argument:
"No one is in a position to judge what
is 'the best of [other's] ability.' We can only judge our own ability...."
Substantiation:
"Teach others to the best of your ability,
even if it is only a single sentence or phrase."
NB Counter-argument Point1:
You are quite right. We shouldn't judge what others are capable
of doing. That's why I believe that we should give them all of the
tools to do whatever they can. Therefore, we should not scold people
or discourage them from doing shakubuku, even if their practice
of shakubuku brings about animosity from others. Instead, we should
respect them and teach them everything we know so that they can
make their own decisions about whether to do shakubuku or not. That
means that we should show them in the gosho where Nichiren encourages
people to do shakubuku so that they can decide to do it as well.
If a person has the capacity to do shakubuku and yet fails to do
it, then yes, they will be judged as failing to do what they're
capable of. Only it's not me doing the judging. It's the Buddha
within their own lives that will "judge" their practice
by failing to respond to a lack of courage and compassion. All I
do is point out that this is an important part of their Buddhist
practice a crucial part, so that they can avoid the offense
of complicity in slander.
NB Counter-argument Point2:
On the other side of the coin, we need to discourage people from
writing articles in magazines that interfere with the cause of teaching
the supremacy of the Lotus Sutra, such as the one run by the Living
Buddhism magazine. This is because they are making an extremely
bad cause and we should try to convince them not to do it. I think
this because it is within our abilities to discourage another person
from making a bad cause when we see it happening. That, too, is
an act of shakubuku, but it is entirely for the other persons
sake, not out of arrogance.
(In the beginning of the substantiation section, I will substantiate
that it is a bad cause to say or imply that Christianity could also
be a path to attain the way. At the end I substantiate that it is
acting out of compassion to try to stop a person from making that
cause. Then I show that even Nichirens disciples are capable
of slander.)
Substantiation:
To ignore the supremacy of the Lotus Sutra and assert that
other sutras stand on a par with it is to commit the worst possible
slander of the Law, a major offense of the utmost gravity.
(pg. 61)
Among my disciples, those who think themselves well versed
in Buddhism are the ones who make errors. Namu-myoho-renge-kyo is
the heart of the Lotus Sutra. It is like the soul of a person. To
revere another teaching as its equal is to be like a consort who
is married to two emperors, or who secretly commits adultery with
a minister or a humble subject. It can only be a cause for disaster.
(pg. 903)
Our seeing, hearing, and making no attempt to stop slander
that, if we spoke out, could be avoided, destroys our gifts of sight
and hearing, and is utterly merciless.
Chang-an writes, If one befriends another person but
lacks the mercy to correct him, one is in fact his enemy.
The consequences of a grave offense are extremely difficult to erase.
The most important thing is to continually strengthen our wish to
benefit others.
Many such examples of slander are also found among Nichirens
disciples and lay believers. (pgs. 625-626)
4. SG Statement:
"I agree 100 percent that we are in
the time of Mappo and need to practice shakubuku."
NB Comment:
Good! I'm glad we see eye-to-eye on this issue. Then we can move
on to discussing what we're going to do about it. Can we not?
5. SG Argument:
"In the case of refuting non-Buddhists,
planting the seed of enlightenment is just as equal as shakubuku.
And nurturing this seed to those who do embark on the journey of
faith is shakubuku as well"
NB Comment:
Nurturing the seed of enlightenment is indeed shakubuku in this
day and age, as it cannot be done by the act of shoju. You must
refute people's attachment to an external deity or they will never
get over it. They will just replace it with another external deity
(the Gohonzon, the universe, President Ikeda, etc.) If I thought
that's what you meant, I would agree. But, if that's what you really
meant, a better way to phrase it would be "To do shakubuku
is to nurture the seed of faith."
NB Counter-argument Point 1:
I think what you really mean to say here is that merely telling
someone about chanting is shakubuku and then encouraging them to
chant without ever refuting their mistaken beliefs is shakubuku.
In Buddhism, there is a clear distinction made between shoju and
shakubuku. To ignore this distinction or fail to understand it is
a grave error in the realm of Buddhism. Shakubuku means to refute
mistaken beliefs. On the other hand, shoju is the practice of "Peaceful
Practices" (peaceful deeds, words, thoughts, and vows). To
tell someone about chanting, yet not refute their mistaken attachment
to an external deity, is actually not shakubuku.
Substantiation:
"Now, in the Latter Day of the Law, who is carrying out the
practice of shakubuku in strict accordance with the Lotus Sutra?
Suppose someone, no matter who, should unrelentingly proclaim that
the Lotus Sutra alone can lead people to Buddhahood, and that all
other sutras, far from enabling them to attain the way, only drive
them into hell." (pg. 394)
"The Lotus Sutra is the teaching of shakubuku, the refutation
of the provisional doctrines." (pg. 392)
"If, failing to understand this principle, one were to practice
shoju or shakubuku at an inappropriate time, then not only would
one be unable to attain Buddhahood, but one would fall into the
evil paths. This is firmly laid down in the Lotus and Nirvana sutras,
and is also clearly stated in the commentaries by Tien-tai
and Miao-lo. It is, in fact, an important principle of Buddhist
practice." (pg. 126)
NB Counter-argument Point 2:
You say, "In the case of refuting non-Buddhists..." implying
that refuting a non-Buddhist can be done by the shoju method (which
is defined as the opposite of shakubuku), unlike the case of refuting
Buddhists. That means that not doing refutation is actually doing
refutation in the case of non-Buddhists. Do you realize how twisted
that sounds? You are saying that shoju is actually shakubuku when
performed on non-Buddhists. Did you invent this concept yourself
or did someone tell you this? This is merely your own personal opinion.
Even if you got it from some SGI leader, it's still a personal opinion
that has no basis in Buddhist doctrine whatsoever. Please be very
careful about teaching people your personal opinion or the personal
opinions of others and calling them Buddhist doctrine. When you
teach a Buddhist concept to someone, you should back up what you
say using Buddhist doctrine. If you can't find a quote from Nichiren
or the sutras to back up what you say, you should not teach it to
others and call it Buddhism. If you do, you will be misleading others.
Substantiation:
"Rely on the Law and not upon persons. Even when
great bodhisattvas such as Universal Worthy and Manjushri, men who
have returned to the stage of near-perfect enlightenment, expound
the Buddhist teachings, if they do not do so with the sutra text
in hand, then one should not heed them.
"The Great Teacher Tien-tai states, That
which accords with the sutras is to be written down and made available.
But put no faith in anything that in word or meaning fails to do
so. Here we see that one should accept what is clearly stated
in the text of the sutras, but discard anything that cannot be supported
by the text." (pg. 109)
"A sutra says: 'Rely on the Law and not upon persons. Rely
on the meaning of the teaching and not on the words. Rely on wisdom
and not on discriminative thinking. Rely on sutras that are complete
and final and not on those that are not complete and final.' The
meaning of this passage is that one should not rely upon the words
of the bodhisattvas and teachers, but should heed what was established
by the Buddha." (pg. 872)
"If we merely rely upon the commentaries of various teachers
and do not follow the statements of the Buddha himself, then how
can we call our beliefs Buddhism? To do so would be absurd beyond
description!
"Therefore, the Great Teacher Chisho stated that, if one claims
that there is no division of Mahayana and Hinayana among the sutras
and no distinction of partial and perfect among revelations of the
truth, and therefore accepts all the words of the various teachers,
then the preachings of the Buddha will have been to no purpose.
"Tien-tai asserted, 'That which has a profound
doctrine and accords with the sutras is to be written down and made
available. But put no faith in anything that in word or meaning
fails to do so.' He also said, 'All assertions that lack scriptural
proof are to be branded as false.' How would you interpret such
statements?" (pg. 56)
NB Counter-argument Point3:
In refraining from doing shakubuku, SGIs own teaching has
become erroneous. Rather than refuting erroneous views (as they
should have been doing all along), they actually ADOPTED them! Thats
what happens when you dont do shakubuku. For one, SGI is committing
an error in their practice with the new teaching they are expounding
that Christianity is very similar to Buddhism, like with their article
in the Living Buddhism, "Jesus and Shakyamuni: Teachers of
Humanity." Second, they allow people to practice 5, 10, 20,
even 30 years still believing in a power that exists outside of
themselves! They pray to the Gohonzon like it's a god that will
bring them benefit if they chant to it. You may think that this
is no big deal, but it's a really big deal. We can't just go around
accepting every non-Buddhist belief on the planet just because they
don't call themselves Buddhists. That would be insane and totally
uncaring! If you care at all, you must point out even your fellow
SGI members' mistaken views.
Substantiation:
"The learned authorities in the world today suppose that there
is no harm in mixing extraneous practices with the practice of the
Lotus Sutra, and I, Nichiren, was once of that opinion myself. But
the passage from the sutra [that I have just quoted] does not permit
such a view." (pg. 1014 &1015)
"Therefore, the Great Teacher Chisho stated that, if one claims
that there is no division of Mahayana and Hinayana among the sutras
and no distinction of partial and perfect among revelations of the
truth, and therefore accepts all the words of the various teachers,
then the preachings of the Buddha will have been to no purpose."
(pg. 56)
NB Counter-argument Point4:
I have already supplied you with a quote proving that Shakyamuni
himself did shakubuku to non-Buddhists. Not only that, the phrase
"one should use Buddhism to refute them" is an instruction
from Nichiren. Here's that quote again:
In a country where non-Buddhist teachings have already spread,
one should use Buddhism to refute them. For example, the Buddha
appeared in India and defeated the non-Buddhists; Kashyapa Matanga
and Chu Fa-lan went to China and called the Taoists to task; Prince
Jogu was born in the country of Japan and put Moriya to the sword."
(pg. 80)
SG Counter Argument:
"Your quoting this portion that dealt
with refuting non-Buddhists is irrelevant to what you are discussing
in your response.
NB Counter-argument:
I find it to be quite relevant. This passage is irrefutable proof
that Nichiren never meant us to NOT do shakubuku to non-Buddhists.
It also proves that Nichiren actually INSTRUCTED us TO DO shakubuku
to non-Buddhists. And he clearly means the real meaning of shakubuku,
not the ridiculous twisted logic you gave me above. He says one
should use Buddhism to refute them. Im saying that teaching
to the best of our ability includes doing shakubuku to non-Buddhists,
and thats what he told us to do in the quote above. How can
you say it's not relevant?
SG Counter Argument:
The main point of that gosho was intended
to be that the Lotus Sutra is appropriate for Japan, due to the
sequence of propagation that took place in history. This passage
does not mean that we should "go around refuting non-Buddhists."
NB Counter-argument:
To be more accurate, the gosho is about the five guides for propagation
which were originally intended to be, well, guides, not just historical
accounts. Nichiren is indeed pointing out that Japan practiced all
of those other religions already, so according to the five guides,
it would be inappropriate to go backward and teach a lesser teaching.
Since they've already practiced all of those other teachings, he
says, they therefore must already have the capacity for the Lotus
Sutra. Certainly Nichiren argued that Japan, in particular, should
not go backward in its progression toward finding the highest teaching.
It could be argued that it's not necessary, in the Latter Day of
the Law, for each individual country to practice every teaching
that Japan did, but that Nichiren was just pointing out that the
sequence had gone exactly as Shakyamuni predicted and now is the
time for the Lotus Sutra to spread. However, the guides are still
guides. I can't tell if you're implying that that all countries
don't have to go through the exact same sequence as Japan did (which
I would agree with), or if you're saying that we cannot use Nichiren's
interpretation of the five guides and apply them to our own country
because he was only concerned with applying them to Japan for his
Japanese audience.
Just for perspective, let me go over the main points of the gosho.
In the first guide, he says that chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo
and practicing the Lotus Sutra is an act of filial piety toward
and appreciation of Shakyamuni. In other words, it's the way to
repay our debt of gratitude to him. In the second one, he
says that to not do shakubuku is to slander the Law. (Keep that
in mind, because I bring it up later.) In the third one,
he says that other Buddhists are actually making evil causes when
they think they're making good causes, because their teachings are
small good that actually wind up creating great evil. The reason
they are creating great evil is because even though the practices
of the other teachings bring benefit, they don't lead to enlightenment.
So they stray from the teachings that lead to enlightenment in order
to create small good, which is a great evil. The fourth guide
says that Japan is suited to the teachings of the Lotus Sutra. As
a reminder, the fourth guide is actually about the capacity of the
people. He's saying that Japan's capacity is suited to the Lotus
Sutra. As you may be very aware, Nichiren says that the Lotus Sutra
is the teaching of shakubuku. Some things you have said in the past
sound as if you're saying that America, and most of the world, is
not suited to the teachings of the Lotus Sutra. That's a related
but different topic, however. In the fifth guide, Nichiren
speaks of the sequence of propagation to be used on a country given
the different kinds of countries. That is where the above quote
comes from. According to SGI, we fall into a country of non-Buddhists.
Of course, Nichiren is specifically relating it to Japan, because
that's where he lived, but that doesn't mean that the five guides
should not be applied outside of Japan. What should we do when in
a non-Buddhist country according to the fifth guide? That is perfectly
clear. We should refute them using Buddhism. Well, the Lotus Sutra
is Buddhism. Therefore, we can easily say that according to Nichiren's
interpretation of the five guides, refuting non-Buddhists using
the Lotus Sutra is following the fifth guideline for propagation.
Furthermore, to not refute them is to actually turn against the
second guide for propagation.
As I think I made clear earlier in this letter, Nichiren does think
we should go around refuting erroneous teachings. Again, it is your
opinion that we should exclude non-Buddhists from this. The above
passage proves that it is merely your own opinion and not the opinion
of Nichiren or Shakyamuni. You have yet to supply me with any proof
whatsoever that Nichiren shared your opinion. I, however, have supplied
proof that he did not, nor did Shakyamuni share your opinion. Yet,
since you don't like the particular passage I quoted, I'll quote
more to you about this topic.
Substantiation:
"This passage from the Nirvana Sutra recounts the evil words
that the various non-Buddhists spoke against Shakyamuni Buddha because
he refuted the scriptures preached by their original teachers, the
two deities and the three ascetics....In other words, persons who
show no desire to hear or believe in the Lotus Sutra or who say
that it does not match their capacity, though they may not actually
slander it in so many words, are all to be regarded as persons of
hatred and jealousy." (pg. 206)
"Our own age is not unlike theirs. The Taoists Chu and
Fei of China, and Moriya in Japan, by relying on the major and minor
deities of their respective countries, became enemies of Shakyamuni
Buddha.
"There is a difference between the Taoists and Moriya on the
one hand and our contemporary priests on the other in that the former
preferred gods to a Buddha while the latter have replaced one Buddha
with another. However, they are alike in that they all abandoned
Shakyamuni Buddha." (pg. 838)
"But in ancient times, before the Buddhist teachings were
introduced to this country, people knew nothing about either the
Buddha or his teachings. It was only after the battle between Moriya
and Prince Jogu that some people took faith in Buddhism, though
others did not.
"The situation was similar in China. After Matanga had introduced
Buddhism to China, he held a debate with the Taoists. When the Taoists
were defeated in debate, then for the first time there were people
who put their faith in Buddhism, though there were many more who
did not." (pg 514)
SG Counter-argument:
None of the goshos you quoted from are primarily
about doing shakubuku to non-Buddhists.
NB Counter-argument:
Are you saying that what was appropriate for the people of Japan,
India, and China is not appropriate for people of every country
in the world in the Latter Day of the Law? Christians, Jews, Muslims,
Hindus, etc. are all not to be refuted? Mind you that nearly 94
percent of the people on this planet today are non-Buddhists. Are
you saying that now, in what is supposed to be the proper time for
shakubuku, 94 percent of the people are not suited to this method
of propagation?
The point is, no matter what the topic was, it is a fact that Buddhism
spread through India, to China, and then to Japan through the use
of shakubuku. Shakyamuni himself did shakubuku to non-Buddhists,
and Nichiren refers to it as if he agrees. Nichiren also did shakubuku
in reference to non-Buddhist teachings. Can you not see this? Nichiren
was not against doing shakubuku to non-Buddhists. He went around
doing shakubuku to Buddhists because in his country there were Buddhists
all around. Could you see the stupidity of him spending most of
his time refuting non-Buddhists, or instructing his disciples to
do so, when there weren't any? He did say to do shakubuku, and he
never said, "unless, of course, the world is overrun by non-Buddhists."
Think about Nichirens purpose in writing the things he did.
Most of what he wrote was in response to questions from his contemporaries.
Considering what he discussed about the topic of shakubuku, can
you imagine what his contemporaries must have been saying? Apparently
there wasn't a debate about the issue of whether shakubuku should
be done on non-Buddhists. Why do you think he kept answering the
question about whether Japan was suited to shakubuku and whether
we should do shakubuku to Buddhists? His critics must have been
saying that their time and country was not suited to shakubuku due
to the fact that they were a Buddhist country. They must have been
saying that shakubuku was reserved for non-Buddhists. Maybe part
of the reason why he also calls some forms of Buddhism "non-Buddhist"
in many places in the gosho was to make the point that they need
to be shakubukued because their beliefs are actually non-Buddhist.
In the "Letter from Teradomari" (pg. 206) he uses the
above-quoted argument to help make his case to his followers that
his disciples should be behind him on the issue of shakubuku (and
that IS the primary topic of the entire gosho). In the quote above,
he's pointing out the similarities between his contemporary Buddhists
and the non-Buddhists of former ages in order to make the point
that if the non-Buddhists required shakubuku, then the erroneous
Buddhists do, too, based on the similarity of their errors. Nichiren
is essentially using Shakyamuni's actions (as if everyone would
agree they were correct) as the basis of an argument to do shakubuku
to Buddhists. Doesn't it seem, when reading the entire three paragraphs
where he talks about it, that he was trying to convince his disciples
that shakubuku is not reserved JUST for non-Buddhists, but for Buddhists
and non-Buddhists alike? If Nichiren was against doing shakubuku
to non-Buddhists, why would he have brought up the fact that Shakyamuni
did it at all, much less in a letter about shakubuku? No matter
what you think his reasons for using it in his arguments, the fact
that he likened Shakyamuni's actions to his own proves that he must
have thought it a good cause. Given this information, how could
you possibly argue that he was against it?
6. SG Comment:
"If you see a reason to refute non-Buddhists
to the best of your ability, go for it."
NB Comment:
I have. Thank you for the encouragement! I take it that you are
conceding that it is correct for a person to refute non-Buddhists
if that is what they are capable of doing. That is exactly what
I believe. Obviously, if someone is not capable of doing shakubuku,
then they should just chant. I believe that you are quite capable
of doing shakubuku to non-Buddhists as well. Since Nichiren said
to teach "to the best of your ability," that means that
you will join me in doing shakubuku when you meet non-Buddhists,
right? That would greatly please me, as that has been my purpose
for having this conversation with you.
7. SG Argument:
"No one has stopped you from doing shakubuku
to non-Buddhists."
NB Comment:
You're absolutely right about this statement. I strongly believe
that we have control over the decisions that we make. Likewise,
when others determine to do shakubuku to non-Buddhists, no one will
stop them either. I will not allow anyone to stop me from fulfilling
my mission. That is why, even though NBAA members have been banned
from SGI meetings in 4 cities, I have consistently maintained my
determination to practice according to Nichiren's instructions no
matter what. Even though the very people I trusted the most turned
their backs on me, even though I face scorn and criticism from the
people I thought were my closest friends, even though those who
signed the vows I took were threatened with law suits for sharing
them with the world, I have marched on...alone -- undaunted. And
I will continue to "teach others to the best of [my] ability"
no matter who rises up against me. This is my determination. This
is my vow. When I made it, I didn't expect any opposition at all
from SGI, but once I took it, I couldn't retreat. I won't retreat,
even today. Even with SGI against me.
8. SG Argument:
"Your purpose of trying to enter SGI
facilities is not because of your change of heart to return to a
true faith. Your intentions are still to make distorted points among
the pure-hearted SGI members."
NB Question:
What distorted points? You already agreed that it's okay to do
shakubuku to non-Buddhists. You agreed that it's okay to do shakubuku
to Buddhists. Although you haven't mentioned it, I brought up the
concept of relying on the Law, not on the person earlier. You made
no comment about that, so I take it that you agree. I assume that
you believe in chanting the daimoku. I assume that you believe in
the power of the Gohonzon within. I assume that you believe in studying
the gosho. I assume that you believe in enlightenment. That's pretty
much everything, then. Since those are the concepts we teach to
everyone, SGI members or not, what distorted points are you referring
to?
NB Comment:
Again, you're talking about me changing to conform to SGI without
any evidence that I have been wrong. Furthermore, as I said earlier,
the only way we could be accepted back into the fold of SGI would
be to give up our teaching of shakubuku and the teaching to rely
on the Law rather than on persons. Is that what you are referring
to when you ask me to return to a "true faith"? Are you
encouraging me to give up my vows for the sake of Buddhism? If you
are, that is a very bad cause on your part. You should really be
more careful in your comments.
9. SG Argument:
"SGI did not cast you out. You left
SGI."
NB Counter-argument:
I've repeatedly tried to talk with SGI members over the years
and have been to their meetings as well, without incident. I am
trying to work with SGI and have been all along. They have stopped
me from going to the meetings and discouraged communication between
myself and other members. They have done all of this despite my
constant reassurances to them that I am not trying to get people
to leave SGI or join NBAA, but only to encourage them to chant,
study the gosho, do shakubuku, and rely on the Law as their guide
to enlightenment. Think about it. Have I, even once, tried to get
you to join NBAA? Have I tried to get you to leave SGI? I told you
to do shakubuku within SGI -- that it doesn't matter. I have tried
to convince you to do shakubuku because I believe that doing shakubuku
IS within your abilities.
I have said repeatedly that I want to work with SGI. So, what am
I to do now? What are you asking me to do? You have implied that
I should renounce my vows in order to conform to their slander of
those who do shakubuku. Well, that is not negotiable. I will NOT
quit doing shakubuku in order to rejoin SGI. I will not quit encouraging
people to read the gosho and interpret and apply it on their own.
I will not quit teaching people to rely on the Law and not upon
persons. I took those vows and I will not forsake them. Short of
doing those things, what else can I do to join with SGI? You tell
me.
I have tried to focus on each of our personal practices rather
than on organizational topics. I have explained that I cannot come
into the fold of SGI without renouncing my vows, and I refuse to
do so. If you are truly interested in my happiness, you will give
me constructive arguments about things I can do to attain enlightenment
rather than encouraging me to conform to an organization that slanders
me for merely following Nichirens instructions. You must know,
deep in your heart, that if I renounce my vows because of SGIs
anger toward me, I will never be able to attain enlightenment and
will instead fall into hell. Yet, you are trying to encourage me
to renounce my vows. How horrible! I think you do this because you
have not been fulfilling your end of the bargain to chant one hour
for my enlightenment before writing me, as I have been doing for
you. Please consider my enlightenment when you attempt to teach
me Buddhism. Likewise, I intend to continue to do the same for you.
I think we have come a long way in our dialogues and that greatly
encourages me. I realize that you don't have to write me and that
you have many other things to do in your daily life. I'm very glad
you have maintained this dialogue with me despite all of that.
Thank you very much.
NB
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